Fact or Faked: Paranormal Files Premieres Tonight

Jael de Pardo and Ben HansenSyfy's hit reality show, Fact or Faked: Paranormal Files, returns tonight. The team chooses two cases to investigate. Ben Hansen, Austin Porter, and Chi-Lan Lieu, investigate a strange mist that seems to have a mind of its own at McPike Mansion in Alton, Illinois. Meanwhile, Bill Murphy, Jael de Pardo, and Larry Caughlan, Jr. investigate a delta shaped UFO sighting in Fremont, California.

Ben Hansen and Jael de Pardo sat down earlier in the week with the digital press to talk about their show and its upcoming premiere, which airs tonight at 10pm ET/PT.

Question: I wanted to ask Ben sort of a two part question. Was there ever a video that you wished that you could’ve pursued but the team turned it down?

Ben Hansen: Hey, a video that I wished could’ve been done and the team turned down? Definitely. Sometimes, I come up with these great UFO videos that are - usually it’s UFOs. Not everyone is as enthused to go investigate those as I am. But, I kind of have to listen to everyone’s opinion and weighing in that they do sometimes make sense not to go out and do cases that are so similar to the ones we’ve already done, or if we’ve got something that is more compelling at the moment.

So, I don’t know. If we’re talking specifics, for example, there was several cases in Russia, these triangular pyramid objects. And probably is going to turn out to be that they were a hoax, but I still wanted to get out there were so many people and so many reports, and I wanted to see if that was just a kind of mass hysteria that was being built up and no one actually really saw these things, or what was going on there.

Question: Did you ever finish filming a case and then you learned something that might’ve changed your mind about your decision you made on the show?

Fact or FakedBen Hansen: Yes. Yes to that one, too. I think you'll see in these new episodes coming up, we try and approach every case with an open mind. Now, sometimes of course you get kind of a sense of how it’s going to go because you've read about the videographer. Or in some cases, you'll see this -this next run, we have some very controversial cases that if anyone has heard the case even once, they kind of automatically side to one , their partial to one side or the other.

And so, you go in thinking, “Okay. This guy is completely lying,” or not. You can’t - it’s hard to kind of push those feelings aside, but I did go into a case this past season where I was very open minded that this whole story could be completely true. And without giving too much away, look for it in Washington State. And basically though, when we got down to it, my mind was changed and it was basically because of the person we were interviewing.

Question: Ben, I wanted to know how’s your FBI training assisted you with these type of investigations?

Ben Hansen: Well, I think experience in any type of formal investigation helps in this type of thing. A lot of criticism the paranormal community gets is that you’re seeing these kind of groups assemble of people who kind of go out, they’ve heard about certain equipment, they’ve heard about a location, and it’s just kind of go out, try everything. Just no real structure or nothing to it. I don’t know.

With my experience, there’s a methodical process in all the investigations I’ve done for all the different agencies. But, it pretty is the same thing in that as best as we can, we try to follow the scientific method in that we see a phenomena, we formulate a hypothesis or theory, we go out and we test that to the best that we can with real, tangible experiments, and then we observe the results.

Now with working in the FBI, I also acquired a lot of skills. I don’t know how many hundreds of interviews with different agencies I did, in interviewing victims, perpetrators, and that crosses over well. Because, you’re looking for tell signs of deception. You’re able to kind of get into the human aspect of it. Because a lot of times, maybe the video doesn’t really reveal much at all and so you rely on the person who took it. So, I think that really just helps.

And of course, just kind of the curiosity. People who have that background in investigations kind of know when there’s a gap. It’s not so much what you’re seeing but what you’re not seeing. And so, it just kind of came second nature to me. And crossing over, it’s been really cool. I never thought that I would use those skills in such a way

Question: For the most part, is a lot of these sightings just people’s eyes playing tricks on them, or some type of technical glitch? What have you found?

Ben Hansen: Well - and maybe Jael can jump in on this one, too. Most the videos that we accept I think would be very hard to pass off as tricks of the eye, because you have them captured on video. Now how your mind deciphers that and what it thinks it is - now I don’t know. Statistically Jael, wouldn’t you say maybe about 50/50 turn out to be something that could most likely be explained as a natural occurrence or a hoax, and then the other 50 we really are not able to pin down?

Jael de Pardo: Absolutely. I mean, there’s definitely times where there’s a case of mistaken identity. And, some of these people that are out there shooting these videos, they’re out there looking for UFOs, or ghosts, or what have you. And sometimes when they see something strange, because they’re looking for it, they specifically want to believe that that’s what they’ve found.

Ben Hansen: Yes. Definitely. It - like I said, it all goes back to having a preconceived idea of what it is, and we’re always battling that, everyone is. Any type of research, you've got to consider your motive - your agenda. And to go out there, but yet go out there with an open mind still...And yes, it’s a lot of fun. But, I would say that for the majority of cases of video that you see online, yes. By far, the majority of them are natural occurrences or tricks of the eye or actual hoaxes.

Question: Depending on the type of paranormal file you’re following, is it harder to stay unbiased if it happens to be something you really want to believe in, such as a UFO?

Ben Hansen: We should ask (Larry) this question. If he sees a Bigfoot case, he thinks, “Oh, Bigfoot. It’s a real deal,” automatically.

Jael de Pardo: Sometimes there are cases that you’re really enthusiastic about and that you want to definitely go there hoping that it’s real. But nonetheless, like Ben was saying, we approach things with the scientific method.

So with all our experiments, it’s sort of a process of elimination. I don’t know that every time we’re going to get a concrete answer, but what that does is just get us - gets us closer to an answer. Anything with a scientific approach, you’re gathering a hypothesis but it doesn’t necessarily mean that you can come up with a concrete conclusion all the time.

Ben Hansen: Right. And we’re constantly trying to keep ourselves in check for each other. And that’s what you see kind of in the situation room is if someone’s really enthusiastic about something but it doesn’t meet our criteria, sometimes we get a little spirited in the debates. Shooting the other person down or something like that, and so it’s good. It’s checks and balances.

But, it doesn’t mean it still can’t be investigated. I have cases that didn’t make the show that I go off and do on my own. In fact, here locally are things that I have a great idea. I’m like, “Well, I’m still going to do it. I don’t care.” So, it happens.

Jael de Pardo: For us, what ultimately makes us go out there and choose one case sometimes has to do with the credibility of the witness? How many people saw this thing? How popular is this video? How many people are hoping to get an answer for this? So all those things combined help us choose sometimes too. And then of course, our opinion, like looking at it and thinking, “Okay. This looks like CG,” or this looks like it could be something real, something of a strange phenomena.

Question: You talk about how there’s a lot of misidentification and things like that, but have you ever come across someone who told you something that you proved to be false but they just - no matter what you said, they wouldn’t believe you and they kept telling you that this really happened and they just couldn’t accept it?

Fact or FakedBen Hansen: Definitely. Definitely.

Jael de Pardo: Done it. I think I know exactly which you’re case you’re thinking of.

Ben Hansen: Look for the episode I mentioned, definitely.

Jael de Pardo: Washington.

Ben Hansen: And, it’s very frustrating - the Washington. Yes. It’s very frustrating, because when it involves one thing to put a video up on the Internet that’s kind of like, “Oh, this is funny. We’ll see how many people believe this.” It’s another thing to sell books and DVDs and to tour the world based on this con. And, that is very frustrating to me because it delegitimatizes real research that’s going on. And in the end, you have a lot of ambiguity, disinformation, floating around and people don’t know what to believe.

And, that’s what really hampers the paranormal field, so it is frustrating to me.

Jael de Pardo: Yes.

Ben Hansen: We had a couple of those these last - this last run where I without a doubt know that the video is not real and you can’t get someone to admit to it, or let’s say that they didn’t hoax it but they won’t accept the natural explanation.

Jael de Pardo: Yes. I think one of the best parts about the show is actually getting the real answer, and a lot of people want to know that this stuff is real. But when we figure out something is a hoax, then I think we’ve answered a lot of questions. But there are a lot of con artists out there, and some of them have put themselves behind this story for years. And so once you come to them and you tell them, “Look. I know that you’ve Faked this,” they’re not going to budge. They’re not going to change all of the sudden because it would be difficult for them to be exposed that way.

Ben Hansen: Right. They’ve become that...

Jael de Pardo: Persona.

Ben Hansen: ...character, that person, that persona, and they’ve got great financial success built upon it. So, it’s kind of like you’re walking in and asking someone just to walk away from their job, and then from then on face several years or a life of contempt and ridicule.

Question: Can you both talk about how you not only got started with the show, but also how you got started in your chosen fields, and how it kind of led to that?

Ben Hansen: Yes. Do you want to go ahead first, Jael?

Jael de Pardo: Sure. Well, I have a journalists background, which I think it provides a very strong background in this because both are quests for the truth. As a journalist, you gather evidence, you’re evaluating the credibility of a witness, you’re researching, and those are some of the same skills that I’m using on Fact or Faked to evaluate the credibility of some of the supernatural phenomena.

Also like Ben was saying before with his FBI background, another additional element that’s particularly important as a journalist, I’m often interviewing people that have some kind of agenda. So, you have to have a fine antenna for when people are telling the truth or not. And with years of experience with interviews, I can usually tell if somebody’s trying to pull something over on someone.

So, I think that those skills can transfer really well to the paranormal. It could - you’re just trying to get to the bottom of something.

Ben Hansen: For me, why I chose my field. It goes back to - well, I don’t know. I’ve always been a curious kid. I was kind of a nerd growing up. I was the kid who got the microscope. I was the kid who got telescopes for his birthday and - I was really interested in science. But more so, it was discovery. It was curiosity. I know that I didn’t want a job in business. I’m not good at business.

And so as I got older, this sounds kind of funny, and I’m not going to attribute it to all The X-Files, but I was in high school and that’s kind of when X-Files was popular. And I thought, “Wow. What a cool job.” And what really interested me was not only what they were doing for the government, but that they were looking at these really cool paranormal cases. And wow. I mean, if that job existed, I thought that would be the ultimate.

So, when I left there I went to college. I started studying Criminology. I worked for several different agencies, both private and government, and all of them were based on either research, interviewing, putting together evidence, coming to conclusions.

And in some cases, that ends up in arrest a criminal prosecution. So, I really enjoyed that. When the opportunity came up to do something in television - there was a production company that produces our show, Base Productions -- American Cowboy Productions, their subsidiary -- they have a lot of experience in making excellent TV shows with CG especially, and they’re very fast paced and action oriented.

At any rate, they loved the idea - when I heard that they were looking for something, I came together with a group of some of my friends, and we were already doing this. We were mostly doing ghost hunting. My kind of bailiwick is Ufology though. And, I have been interested in this for almost 20 - 20 or so years. And, they really just didn’t have a concept developed was the thing.

So, we sat down with them and talked about, “Okay. This is my first time really in the entertainment world. What is lacking?” I started watching the other shows. I started researching and I thought what is not being done right now? What could we do a show about?

And, it started to kind of get the ball rolling from there. And, I did have a couple of team members that we added to the team. Some were kind of swapped out, and we brought Jael because of her journalism experience, because she already has proven success with a great TV show in Destination Truth, and Chi-Lan because of her photography.

And, the rest - well, Bill - it was kind of like the Dynamic Duo because I had the investigation background, but Bill by far - he’s very well known in the paranormal community already. So, we brought the two of us together and the rest of the team, and it just kind of - wow. We meshed really quickly from the beginning.

Jael de Pardo: Yes. And, I’ll interject for a moment there and just bring up the Destination Truth thing. Josh Gates and the Destination Truth team had hired me to go in as a journalist for one of their seasons. And, it was really exciting and it definitely gave me a lot of experience with the supernatural, and so when Fact or Faked came along, and Ben Hanson and the rest of the team, it definitely just seemed like a natural fit.

Question: Jael, the first question is for you. One of our favorite episodes...was the unwanted visitor (unintelligible) sighting where the bizarre bipedal creature in Fresno, California. Was that as creepy as it seemed?

Fact or FakedJael de Pardo: It really was, and it’s funny that you would mention that one, because that’s actually my favorite from the first half of the season. That case still boggles me. We left there and we still have not come to any sort of concrete conclusion as to what these creatures may have been. It is definitely possible that these could’ve been some kind of indigenous creature that hasn’t been discovered yet in that area, because there were two sightings that we found out about while we were investigating that.

So, it was really interesting. And it was creepy because when we did our night investigation, we definitely felt some kind of presence that was there with us, and Bill can attest to that as well. Larry was with us and it sort of felt like we were chasing something in the woods, but at the end of the night, it almost felt like it was chasing us.

So, we left definitely quite spooked. And I’ve been a skeptic when it comes to aliens and UFOs, but that really turned my thinking in a different direction and opened me up to believing a bit more.

Question: Ben, we’re kind of stoked that you mentioned the X-Files angle there. We were kind of going to go that direction. As a former FBI agent, were there any cases when you were in the FBI that kind of made you say, “Wait a minute. What’s going on here? This is something a little bit out of the ordinary.”

Ben Hansen: Well, I often get asked that question a lot, and I get the questions what exactly did I do there, and how long, and how did I start and leave, and all those things. And unfortunately, I signed a mountain of confidentiality paperwork and took oaths, right, because of the nature of the work. So, I really can’t even comment on the types of cases. If my name were on some report that had already been released to the public, that’s kind of a different story. But maybe what I could do is kind of - let’s see. How could I answer that question?

In an official capacity, I suppose - let me say this. I’ve seen by far - there’s always strange things going on when you work for - in investigations. In the paranormal world, I’ve by far seen more in my private life that can’t be explained. Government agencies sometimes do get involved in the unknown. If you look in the ‘70s, government was involved in investigating cattle mutilations and things of that nature. But, it’s been more of my focus outside of my work with the different agencies that I’ve seen things.

Question: Are there any locations or investigations that one of you would like to return to?

Ben Hansen: There’s plenty. I would like to go to all the cases I didn’t get to see. I mean, there’s - I would’ve love to have been at Fresno. I would’ve loved to go back to Arizona. I’ve got a lot of friends in Arizona. I would love to do a week or two of camping in some of these remote areas to capture what my team did on film. To have an actual anomalous light come streaking by and doing strange maneuvers. I would love to see that.

Jael de Pardo: As for me, I actually have one that we haven’t investigated that I’d like to investigate. There’s a place called the Winchester Mystery House in Northern California, and it was owned by the widow of a man that made the Winchester Rifle. And supposedly, it’s inhabited by all the souls who were killed by the Winchester Rifles. So, I’m sometimes fascinated by the morbid, and I think I’d like to check that one out.

Question: So, what can we look forward to this year? Any new surprises? Anything really unusual for the next new set of shows coming out?

Ben Hansen: I guess to sum it up; it’s bigger and better. We have a couple of cases that, a lot of times in the last six seasons - or I’m sorry - seasons - in the last six episodes, there are a lot of times where someone might tune in and it might be the very first time they’ve heard about this case.

In this next run, there are a few cases in there that many, many more people have heard of. And so, it’s kind of a daunting task to tackle these. But, we’re not trying to tackle usually the whole case. A specific part of it, and try something that hasn’t been done yet. So, you’re going to see a bit of that.

You’re going to see a little more kind of interaction between the team members. We’re really meshing now, so you’re starting to see our personalities come out a bit more. And, we’re going to some really exciting locations. So I mean that’s what I think will be kind of the big draw for people in this next run.

Jael de Pardo: Absolutely, Ben. I mean the daunting task considering that we are Fact or Faked, and then we’re tackling these cases that are really well known and that have been considered hard evidence that the paranormal is real. That it could be an alien or whatever the case is. In the community, it’s been considered as concrete evidence, and then we’re going in there and tackling it to see if it actually is true.

So it is a daunting task, and so you'll definitely see more of that; some very controversial cases and - as well as some great exotic, beautiful locations.

Ben Hansen: That’s true. And, we’ve talked about that before. I know that we can go into a little detail. We actually went to Australia. I lived there for a year, so I just loved going back, and loved that the assignment that we had was to look for a mermaid. So, we had a lot of fun. And I guess you'll just have to see what happens.

Question: I have a question for Jael. Actually a couple of questions. There are some rumors that you might be going and returning to Destination Truth. Can you confirm?

Jael de Pardo: Well, I’m actually really excited to say that I will be joining the team during the season that is in production right now. I’ve been invited to do a guest appearance for two episodes in Africa. So yes, Josh Gates has invited me to come and use my journalism skills to help them out, and I’m really excited because I will be reunited with (Rex) who’s also back. And it’s going to be great. I love the old team, and it’s definitely an honor to go back, so I’m very, very excited...It’s going to be a wild location. You knowing - I’m sure being familiar with Destination Truth; we’re definitely going to go out on a limb. And, sometimes literally.

Question: And to that effect, do you have any differences or similarities to the team dynamics between the two shows?

Jael de Pardo: Well, I think when you’re traveling with a group and you’re in such proximity for such a long time, you definitely get to know each other really well. So at some point everybody has their differences and you definitely disagree on certain things. You definitely come together as a team and you realize that you have to back each other up in every aspect.

On Destination Truth, because we’re out in these really exotic places a lot of the times, and very foreign lands, and we have to abide by different kinds of protocol, it’s a different dynamic of why you’re looking for your co-worker’s back, looking out for them.

And I think the differences between the two shows is that one is more of a hunt and one is more of a - I guess a process of elimination. And so, one causes a lively debate, which I would say Fact or Faked, and the other one is more like, “Run for your life!”

Question: Was there a part of the show, whether it was a test you did or just part of the investigation, that because of the lack of time, that you've had to cut, that you really wished that fans could’ve seen?

Ben Hansen: Yes. There has been in the past six episodes and the one’s you’re going to see. Kind of the, and maybe this will happen in the future -- we could do specials of several hours long or an hour long. But, not everyone is like me.

I could sit down and watch a good documentary and just not move from my chair. Other people have to have the highlights. And sometimes - for example, one of the - one interview in particular comes to mind of this last season. The interview itself probably was about an hour long, and you really have to whittle that down.

So, we’ve talked about putting pretty much the full length interview up on the Web site once it comes out, and that kind of helps resolves some of it. Because, it’s such a case that I think generates so much interest that there are a lot of people who do want to see what else was said and what happened.

Jael de Pardo: It’s true that Ben likes to - he wants to fight for certain things that sometimes we have to cut out. If you think about it at the end of the day, we go out on these shoots and we’re here and we’re shooting hours, and hours, and hours of tape, and then at the end of it we’re cutting it down to an 18 or 20 minute show - whatever it is, because then you add commercials and all this stuff. So a lot of it ends up on the cutting room floor. So, we’re hoping that some of those really important moments we can actually take and put online on the SyFy Web site so that people can see some of those other important moments.

Question: This is probably more for you Jael...When you do the investigating and the waiting in the dark and all that, did you at the beginning - did it scare you? Or, do you maybe sometimes scare yourself just because you’re all alone waiting for something to happen?

Jael de Pardo: I think it’s a combination of both. Because, you go out to these countries and we start by finding our witnesses. And - so, we interview all these people who are telling you that straight - they believe this is true. “This is true. This is true. This is what happened to me. I heard the footsteps. I saw this. I saw that.” So you start to think about all this in your head, and then you wait until the sun goes down. You go to the location and it’s creepy, and then you lock yourself in a room and you've been hearing all this stuff all day.

Some of it I think it’s how far you let your mind wander, and then the other part of it is actually thinking, “Okay. Well, this place definitely has had some paranormal activity. There’s a possibility that something will happen to me right now.” And, it’s definitely a challenge to sit in a room that way by yourself and do an EVP session and ask for something to come forth and talk to you. I mean, I think you can imagine it’s definitely scary. I’ve been scared a lot of times.

On Destination Truth as well, we have to contend with nature. The jungle and going out to places in like the Amazon and running around in the middle of the night when it’s pitch black at 2:00 am with a flashlight and trying to find some creature.

So I definitely think it’s a little bit of both, but I will also say that having done it now, it’s like being put through some sort of boot camp. Because, I definitely feel like I’m not as afraid of certain things as I used to be.

Question: Do you guys ever try to prank each other though, do they scare you when you’re like that? Or is it more business and you don’t want to...

Jael de Pardo: Luckily with the Fact or Faked team, I haven’t had to deal with that yet, but...

Ben Hansen: We’ve been easy on you. We have. We have been easy.

Jael de Pardo: Yes. You guys have been easy on me. But, there are definitely some behind the scenes moments where the guys will start to get silly and they’ll try to do some pranks. I definitely got a little bit of that on Destination Truth. Because by the time it’s 5:00 am, everybody’s starting to get a little punchy and silly, and then all of the sudden we’ll have a couple jokes going around, and they’ll always take the easiest target. And, they always thought it was me. And they were like, “Oh, Jael’s going to get really scared, so we’re going to try and spook her out.”

But they learned their lesson. I have to tell you, they have - they learned their lesson. I’m not that girl.

... Ben Hansen: Oh, I just wanted to respond quickly. We do have a case coming up - our first one in fact airing next Thursday, where we went to a mansion in Illinois. This haunted mansion, I actually did - Chi-Lan had made some kind of not so nice comment to me earlier, and so when it came time to do EVPs, we sent her down to the - basically a cellar with a big iron door. And, Austin and I actually did lock the door. We put a bar in it so she couldn’t get out.

So, I don’t know yet if that is in the show or not. But yes, we do have fun like that.

Jael de Pardo: It wasn’t in the cut we saw, but...

Question: The one last quick question I wanted to ask Jael is, can you talk about - you dressed as a mermaid and then you swam on bottom of the ocean. I was reading that. Can you talk a little bit about that?

Fact or FakedJael de Pardo: Sure thing. Well, one of our cases is investigating a mermaid sighting. And of course as you've seen with our show, we have to replicate what this footage - this original footage is. And so, one of our experiments, they put me in a mermaid suit and we’re out at the Great Barrier Reef in Cannes, Australia, and they made me jump into the ocean with the suit on.

And of course, the whole production crew was freaking me out the night before, because it was a suit that was made to fit me and it had a mono-fin at the bottom. And they’re like, “Oh, well your legs are going to be strapped together. You’re just going to sink to the bottom. It’s going to be really hard. You might just sink, so we’ll have a life preserver.”

I’m like, “You guys, this is the Great Barrier Reef, and it’s going to be really deep. We’re maybe 40, 50 feet. And, I - what? Are you kidding me? You’re just going to throw me in the ocean with my legs strapped together? What’s going to happen?”

Ben Hansen: You were willing to take that risk, though.

Jael de Pardo: Yes. Thank you, Ben.

Ben Hansen: You know, for this segment.

Jael de Pardo: So of course, my heart is palpitating, because I have to put on this thing that sort of feels very restricting. It’s - like imagine having your legs tied together and then being thrown into this deep ocean. Nonetheless, they’re telling me, “Oh, there’s sharks in here,” and this and that. And I’m like, “Well, I’m going to swim away?”

But luckily, I’m a really strong swimmer and it didn’t turn out as bad as I had anticipated. And, I’ll leave it at that. I’ll...

Ben Hansen: She did a really good job.

Fact or FakedJael de Pardo: Yes. I - luckily, I’m very experienced in the water. I’m a certified scuba diver and I love being in the ocean, so I was able to buoy myself up to the top and I was able to do the swim that we needed. But, I’m not going to go too far into it, because I want you to see it, and it’s - I’ll just say it’s a beautiful episode and I think you guys will enjoy the backdrop.

Ben Hansen: It is very beautiful. And Jael’s as a mermaid, I think the male viewers will really appreciate that, I guess.

Question: I just wondered, you guys - and somebody answered it a little bit in terms of how you got into paranormal activity and everything like that, but I just wanted to know if you had a specific case, or more or less, even one of the current shows, episodes, or shows you've been on before, that were your favorite or ones you enjoyed the most or stuck with you for some reason?...Things that you've actually witnessed or you've been - that you've had the chance of being involved with and participating with. And, it could be even something that we haven’t seen on the show, just in general what you've done...A case that spoke to you the most, or maybe - you know, just for some reason sort of stuck with you.

Ben Hansen: Okay. Kind of like that maybe instigated or encouraged our interested in this? Something like that?

Question: Right. Exactly. Yes, exactly.

Ben Hansen: Okay. Well for me, I’ve mentioned with Ufology. Kind of really briefly, this - the way I got into it is that my dad, I remember him taking me to - my parents took me to see ET when I was really young, and I think that was the first movie I ever saw in the theater. And then later, he took me to a drive in, it was Flight of The Navigator. It seems like all those memorable movies that my parents took me to had something to do with aliens or UFOs. And, space really, really interested me.

When I was - I think it was the year 2001 or 2002, I was on a cruise ship coming back from the Bahamas and I was watching a meteor shower at 2:00 am. And I actually did see a very strange object in the sky that was about the size and shape of a satellite, and the lady that I was with at the time pointed it out to me and said, “What’s that?” I was about to tell her it was a satellite because it was moving straight. And all of the sudden, it started doing S turns and doing little circles in the sky. And, it blew me away. It really did, because here it is 2:00 am and you’re kind of tired. If I had been there by myself, you'd really start second guessing your - like, “Well, am I seeing this? What’s going on?”

And anyway, I went back - when we got back to land I made a report to the National UFO reporting center where - this is the first time I really came to know Peter Davenport who runs that database. And several months later, he called me back and wanted to know if I’d be interested in being interviewed by the BBC, who was doing a story on the Bermuda Triangle. Anyway, long story short, it was kind of the first time I going to involved in really looking in depth at this phenomena.

I’ve read books. I’ve read a lot of books about Roswell, about all these other things. And it really kind of launched forward a proactive interest in it, because at the same time I learned -- as I’ve talked about before -- that my grandfather at Wright-Patterson Air Force Base as a Civil Engineer. So for those who know Ufology, this is where supposedly wreckage from the Roswell crash was sent and some of the bodies.

And, my grandpa always kept his oath and never revealed what he saw, but he did say as he was passing on - he died of cancer several years ago. He told my father we are not alone.

And since then, my dad and I have kind of formed this partnership and it’s kind of this quest. How can we find out what our grandfather - what his father knew? And with my own personal experiences and things, I definitely think there is something to this phenomena. And, it’s great to be able to have a job where I get paid to travel the world investigating similar cases and talking to first hand witnesses. So to me, that’s kind of my sort of personal quest. Something that really gets me interested.

That was the short answer. I call it the short (answer).

Question: And Jael, what about you?

Jael de Pardo: Well, you were asking about cases that have stuck with us. As I was mentioning - I mentioned before, our Night Crawlers case in Fresno still boggles me. And, I feel like it’s one of those cases that we left and we’re just still at odds as to what these creatures may have been, and I still think about it. It definitely changed my way of thinking as to what kind of creatures could be out there that might be extraterrestrial, or I’m not really sure what they are.

So that’s a case that if we had the chance, I would love to revisit, definitely because Bill and I had such strange experiences when we had our night investigation. Also, I think the case that Ben and I did in Indiana with the ghost cemetery, right Ben? That was an interesting...

Ben Hansen: Yes.

Jael de Pardo: ...that was an interesting case. We had some really strange experiences in the cemetery. Of course a dark and spooky night. We definitely had the right setting for it in the middle of a haunted cemetery.

And then also, I think this mermaid case, which hasn’t aired yet. Like I said before; sometimes you have to go to some really strange places to find answers, like the bottom of the ocean. And who knew? So, those are some of my favorites.

One thing I will say though is that somehow, I’ve ended up doing more UFO cases I feel. I don’t know, maybe this is just me. I haven’t really kept count, but I feel like I’ve done more UFO cases on Fact or Faked than ghost cases, so I’m hoping Ben -- I hope you’re listening -- that I get sent out on some fun ghost hunts in some kind of mansion or something like that. It definitely piques my interest.

Ben Hansen: We do like to mix it up and put people where they’re not maybe their main interest, because they have a different view on it as well. And, if you’re really, really involved in something, sometimes you can’t see the forest for the trees, and it’s good to mix it up like that.

Jael de Pardo: That’s true, and I think some of those cases that you've done - the ghost cases, they had to do with some sort of photography that may have been toyed with, and so they wanted to take Chi-Lan, as our photography expert. But, hopefully we’ll switch that around on one of the next ones.

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